has it that Prince Madoc sailed from Wales in 1170 and discovered America
many years before Columbus. This page includes extracts from an article
by Jayne Wanner about Madoc, the Mandan indians (the tribe some historians
say could have been the descendants of the Welsh settlers), and information
about the strange welsh style stone buildings unlike any other american
indian structure found in the regions of the Mandan tribe, and indeed one
structure is supposed to resemble Dolwyddelan
Castle the birthplace of Madoc in North Wales.
First the Colwyn Bay, North Wales connection.
In 1170 the ships of two nations rendezvoused in the Irish Sea. Bewitched
by a viking tale of a great land beyond the ocean, Madoc, Prince of Snowdon,
commanding the Welsh ships with Rhiryd his brother, commanding the Irish
fleet, set out into the unknown. Some years later Madoc returned in his
ship , the Gwennan Gorn and told of their discovery of a new land. A great
fleet set sail with Welsh settlers and was never seen again.
Did Madoc, Prince of Snowdon, really find America? Just another fairy tale?
On the shores of Alabama there stands a stone , "In memory of Prince
Madoc" A Welsh explorer who landed on the shore of Mobile Bay in 1170
The Welsh legend says Madoc sailed from the Afon Ganol in Penrhyn Bay. However
there was no evidence to support this until in the 1950's the new sea wall
was being constructed. During the construction work the workmen came across
the remains of an ancient and long forgotten Harbour wall. Parts of the
original 1000 year old quay can still be found in the garden of a house
called "Odstone" on the sea front between Penrhyn Bay and Rhos
A CONSIDERATION: WAS AMERICA DISCOVERED IN 1170 by PRINCE MADOC AB OWAIN
GWYNEDD OF WALES?
By: Jayne Wanner.
"In 1170 A.D., a certain Welsh prince, Madoc ab Owain Gwynedd, sailed
away from his homeland, which was filled with war and strife and battles
between his brothers. Yearning to be away from the feuds and quarrels, he
took his ships and headed west, seeking a better place. He returned to Wales
brimming with tales of the new land he found--warm and golden and fair.
His tales convinced more than a few of his fellow countrymen, and many left
with him to return to this wondrous new land, far across the sea.
This wondrous new land is believed to be what is now Mobile Bay, Alabama.
Time has left several blank pages between the legend of Madoc and the "history"
of America, with its reports of white Indians who speak Welsh, and these
blank pages have been the subject of much controversy in certain circles
over the five centuries since Columbus discovered the New World."
The site of the original Castle, that is probably the actual birthplace
of Madoc, as viewed from the present Castle.
"The second, and more convincing reason, is a series of pre-Columbian
forts built up the Alabama River, and the tradition handed down by the Cherokee
Indians of the "White People" who built them. Testimony includes
a letter dated 1810 from Governor John Seiver of Tennessee in response to
an inquiry by Major Amos Stoddard. Governor Seiver refers to a time he spent
with the Cherokee in 1782, and relates a conversation he had with Oconostota,
who had been the ruling chief of the Cherokee Nation for nearly sixty years.
Seiver had asked the Chief about the people who had left the "fortifications"
in his country. The chief told him: "It is handed down by the Forefathers
that the works had been made by the White people who had formerly inhabited
the country. . ." and gave him a brief history of the "Whites."
When asked if he had ever heard what nation these Whites had belonged to,
Oconostota told Seiver that he ". . .had heard his grandfather and
father say they were a people called Welsh, and that they had crossed the
Great Water and landed first near the mouth of the Alabama River near Mobile.
Three major forts, completely unlike any known Indian structure, were constructed
along the route settlers arriving at Mobile Bay would have taken up the
Alabama and Coosa rivers to the Chattanooga area. Archaeologists have testified
that the forts are of pre-Columbian origin, and most agree they date several
hundred years before 1492. All are believed to have been built by the same
group of people within the period of a single generation, and all bear striking
similarities to the ancient fortifications of Wales.The first fort, erected
on top of Lookout Mountain, near DeSoto Falls, Alabama, was found to be
nearly identical in setting, layout, and method of construction, to Dolwyddelan
Castle in Gwynedd, North Wales, the presumed birthplace of Madoc."
If you have found this of interest go to http://www.barstow.cc.ca.us/wac/madoc.htm
for the complete article on Prince Madoc by Jane Wanner.
There is more information & pictures of the area in the USA at http://www.tylwythteg.com/fortmount/Ftmount.html
This has more information about "welsh" style forts in the southern
Other historical sites around Colwyn Bay, Conwy, North Wales:
The 6th Century Chapel
& Holy Well of St Trillo .
This is said to be the smallest Church in Britain and is located just a
mile from where Madoc is supposed to have set sail. Bearing in mind that
it predates Prince Madoc it is more than likely that Madoc would have prayed
here before setting sail to the new world.
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